Chang's Conjecture and the Non-Stationary Ideal

2001 ◽  
Vol 66 (1) ◽  
pp. 144-170 ◽  
Author(s):  
Daniel Evan Seabold

In The Axiom of Determinacy, Forcing Axioms and the Nonstationary Ideal [W1], Woodin constructs the partial order ℙmax, which in the presence of large cardinals yields a forcing extension of L(ℝ) where ZFC holds and the non-stationary ideal on ω1 (hereafter denoted NSω1) is ω2-saturated. The basic analysis of ℙmax forcing over L(ℝ) can be carried out assuming only the Axiom of Determinacy (AD). In the central result of this paper, we show that if one increases slightly the strength of the determinacy assumptions, then Chang's Conjecture—the assertion that every finitary algebra on ω2 has a subalgebra of order type ω1—holds in this extension as well. Specifically, we obtain:Corollary 4.6. Assume AD + V = L(ℝ, μ) + μ is a normal, fine measure on. Chang's Conjecture holds in any ℙmax-generic extension of L(ℝ).This technique for obtaining Chang's Conjecture is fairly general. We [Se] have adapted it to obtain Chang's Conjecture in the model presented by Steel and Van Wesep [SVW] and Woodin [Wl] has adapted it to his ℚmax forcing notion. In each of these models, as in the ℙmax extension, one forces over L(ℝ) assuming AD to obtain ZFC and NSω1 is ω2-saturated.By unpublished results of Woodin, the assumption for Corollary 4.6 is equiconsistent with the existence of ω2 many Woodin cardinals, and hence strictly stronger than ADL(ℝ). One would like to reduce this assumption to ADL(ℝ). Curiously, this reduction is not possible in the arguments for ℚmax or the Steel and Van Wesep model, and the following argument of Woodin suggests why it may not be possible for ℙmax either.

2019 ◽  
Vol 85 (1) ◽  
pp. 338-366 ◽  
Author(s):  
JUAN P. AGUILERA ◽  
SANDRA MÜLLER

AbstractWe determine the consistency strength of determinacy for projective games of length ω2. Our main theorem is that $\Pi _{n + 1}^1 $-determinacy for games of length ω2 implies the existence of a model of set theory with ω + n Woodin cardinals. In a first step, we show that this hypothesis implies that there is a countable set of reals A such that Mn (A), the canonical inner model for n Woodin cardinals constructed over A, satisfies $$A = R$$ and the Axiom of Determinacy. Then we argue how to obtain a model with ω + n Woodin cardinal from this.We also show how the proof can be adapted to investigate the consistency strength of determinacy for games of length ω2 with payoff in $^R R\Pi _1^1 $ or with σ-projective payoff.


1986 ◽  
Vol 51 (3) ◽  
pp. 648-662 ◽  
Author(s):  
Moti Gitik

Namba [N] proved that the nonstationary ideal over a measurable (NSκ) cannot be κ+-saturated. Baumgartner, Taylor and Wagon [BTW] asked if it is possible for NSκ to be precipitous over a measurable κ. A model with this property was constructed by the author, and shortly after Foreman, Magidor and Shelah [FMS] proved a general theorem that after collapsing of a supercompact or even a superstrong to the successor of κ, NSκ became precipitous. This theorem implies that it is possible to have the nonstationary ideal precipitous over even a supercompact cardinal. Just start with a supercompact κ and a superstrong λ > κ. Make supercompactness of κ indistractible as in [L] and then collapse λ to be κ+.The aim of our paper is to show that the existence of a supercompact cardinal alone already implies the consistency of the nonstationary ideal precipitous over a supercompact. The proof gives also the following: if κ is a λ-supercompact for λ ≥ (2κ)+, then there exists a generic extension in which κ is λ-supercompact and NSκ is precipitous. Thus, for a model with NSκ precipitous over a measurable we need a (2κ)+-supercompact cardinal κ. Jech [J] proved that the precipitous of NSκ over a measurable κ implies the existence of an inner model with o(κ) = κ+ + 1. In §3 we improve this result a little by showing that the above assumption implies an inner model with a repeat point.The paper is organized as follows. In §1 some preliminary facts are proved. The model with NSκ precipitous over a supercompact is constructed in §2.


2016 ◽  
Vol 16 (02) ◽  
pp. 1650007
Author(s):  
Grigor Sargsyan ◽  
Nam Trang

In this paper, we show that the failure of the unique branch hypothesis ([Formula: see text]) for tame iteration trees implies that in some homogenous generic extension of [Formula: see text] there is a transitive model [Formula: see text] containing [Formula: see text] such that [Formula: see text] is regular. The results of this paper significantly extend earlier works from [Non-tame mice from tame failures of the unique branch bypothesis, Canadian J. Math. 66(4) (2014) 903–923; Core models with more Woodin cardinals, J. Symbolic Logic 67(3) (2002) 1197–1226] for tame trees.


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